Dat new debate tho

[MysticX2X]

Dec 28, 2012 17:31:09 GMT -5 cetellic said:

I never wanted respect. Sure it's cool to get it but I cared much more about the effects being a good GC had on the server than anything, and I was a perfectionist about being a good GC.

It sucked cause most of you guys seemed to be like "woohoo we're rockstars, lets continue rocking the crowd cause that's all that matters!!". We were getting creamed by UN in playercount and it seemed no one cared about event variety. It felt like everyone was a pure action GC when originally I was the only one. The other styles got killed off and their fanbases left aswell. I tried to get everyone on track but there was no chemistry within the team like I had when Mighty, Espresso, Aeris, Tim, Bubbles, or Trip where in business. The constant drama that never failed to startup was also a big issue. I did try hard to keep things rolling with the Xia levels and new NPCWs though not until just now do I understand how futile my efforts were.

UN's playercount had always 'creamed' classics. There is clearly no debate there, but also clearly not a result of the GC team not performing to your 'standards'.

And again you are referring to glory days with GC's who had a larger and much more undiluted playercount to cater to. Everybody knows classic and graal itself was a much more popular entity in 05-07 than 08-09. Why? It has to do with graal management. Even management plans for Classic were hurting us because events CANNOT be the driving force of the server. The GC team took a downfall because we had less players interested in the server. The players who stuck around only did so because they enjoyed certain aspects such as CTF. That isn't to say that overhosting CTF was justified, although CTF wasn't overhosted to begin with. I believe that on average CTF was hosted 2-3 times in a day, which in the larger grand scheme of things isn't overhosted. Therefore, your point there is moot. And to say the other GC's did nothing to introduce diversity is insulting. I tried my hardest to introduce original events; so did gladius; so did gemini; so did death. Truth is, we had less interest in the unique events than the events that are hosted on a basis like pit, ctf, or sumo. And if you paid attention, you would have noticed we did this until the very end, but we ultimately have to cater to what the public will play most of the time.

I've seen "generations" of GCs come and go. I've also seen plenty of GCs start off fresh, easily capable of getting over 400 minutes per week, and then eventually burn out when they've been GC for a long time before ultimately quitting. I've come to understand that it's natural and will happen to everyone eventually. But I didn't want to believe I had burned out when I did so I didn't quit.

So you're admitting you burned out yet saying you are the best GC? When has anyone in history given up and said they were the best? Did Michael Jordan give up on a game? Did Ali give up on a fight? I don't understand. You just set yourself up for a downfall here.

It's dumb, cause I remember getting the "WTF YOU NEVER HOST" bs and I knew they didn't understand since the concept was so hard for me to grasp at one point. The thing is I put alot of work into GC for alot longer than most GCs and then when I finally do burn out I stick around and try to make things better for the team, only for the fresh GCs of the time to pop up and say "**** you, you don't host". Alright fine whatever, keep "rocking the crowd cause that's all that matters". Keep thinking 15 CTFs will do more for the server than a couple of well placed events. Apparently you all ended up quitting aswell, so you got to see first hand how great your ideas were.

As a senior GC, you need to set an example. Quite frankly, saying you burned out is pitiful. You should have quit instead of made yourself look like an ass. If you didn't care, you shouldn't have been there because the other GC's on the team cared and tried to do their best, while you poo on their efforts. YET you are saying you are the best GC.

This is hilarious. Truly hilarious.

[cetellic]

1 - The glory days were not the reason we had good team chemistry. We just knew how to work with one another and not get into a "crowd rocking" mentality.

2 - 2-3 isn't overhosted in the grand scheme of things? Slap yourself.

3 - The claim of less interest fails. I still got good amounts of players in my last couple of events hosting new ideas.

4 - For the second time I "was" best GC man. And after burnout I still put in work and helped by not overhosting overhosted events.

5 - I didn't set a good example? If it's cause I didn't host as much as you guys, no old GC does. You didn't hear me whining about Sting and them.

[gladius]

Seriously mystic, this is what you have been pestering me about? I typed up a few things but ultimatily this is basically an opinion thread and I don't want to get suckered into a back-and-forth like you have.


Anyways, tis good to hear from you clel, how have you been?

[cetellic]

Doing good. The fans are happy erm "glad" to see you back, even if it's a cameo.

[MysticX2X]

Jan 2, 2013 15:24:57 GMT -5 cetellic said:

1 - The glory days were not the reason we had good team chemistry. We just knew how to work with one another and not get into a "crowd rocking" mentality.

or maybe its because everyone gave a poo back on that gc team in contrast to ours where there were a select few (namely you) who did not.

2 - 2-3 isn't overhosted in the grand scheme of things? Slap yourself.

Per day? Not at all

3 - The claim of less interest fails. I still got good amounts of players in my last couple of events hosting new ideas.

less interest compared to past years yes.

4 - For the second time I "was" best GC man. And after burnout I still put in work and helped by not overhosting overhosted events.

Was is still so vague. In the last 2 years old classic was alive, you put in very little effort to help the team as a whole which is sets you as one of the best gc's. Otherwise you were nothing more than "good".

5 - I didn't set a good example? If it's cause I didn't host as much as you guys, no old GC does. You didn't hear me whining about Sting and them.

Hey, you're the one saying our gc team reaked.


Gladius, it's just fun man. Relax a little ya stinkin' dino.

[cetellic]

1 - I did care up until I realized you guys were epic haterade on me. Synergy was less than haterade so I had to work against the odds there. And I still put in work boy holla at meh. Point me out as one of the people who didn't care, yeah I was in my xia levels making stuff for you guys to work with, but I don't care about the team nor am I a team player. LOL get real bro!

2 - Okay, think of the length of time CTFs go for. Then think 2-3 a day. Then think the hosting quality that could've went to other events. In the grand scheme of things we definitely lost opprotunities off that. And that's considering it's only 2-3, I thought it was hosted more than that a day, but I'll let 2-3 slide for now.

3 - Less interest but I still went hard, still went places, all night, haters were hatin', playercount was down, still flexing on foos with good events. Wth was your problem?

4 - Little effort to help the team is how I got to be the best? The events I pioneer'd did help the team + I voted to keep key GCs on the team when other members were against it for "petty" reasons. I liked teamwork alot, which is why I had great chemistry combinations throughout most generations of GC. This is aside the fact that as a stand alone force I was a beast. Trying to paint me as something I'm not. OH SURE THING MYSTIC I WAS BEST GC CAUSE I ONLY CARED ABOUT MYSELF HERP DERP.

5 - Like you fail to think or something. Me not complaining about older GCs is because I won't ask a burnt out GC to host. I'm complaining about GCs rocking the crowd and limiting our options. Maybe you missed something but the two don't compare, explain yourself and try again.