Jewfus

[kevlor]

the amount of control he exercises over Kill is absolutely appalling

Rufus was actively fighting me when I beat him down to 5 hearts to my 8 hearts and suddenly stops moving

I go ahead and kill him, and Kill who was supervising Oni's event decides it's time to stop the match and re-summon Rufus because "Rufus had a window pop up"

I'm sorry, what?

Some ridiculous claim that can't be backed up is now cause to start over a match because it wasn't looking favorable for you?

What kind of bullpoo is this? Surely this wouldn't stand?

Oh no, it did stand.

Immediately after, Rufus obviously started exploiting by using a tiny window and enabling UDP to insure a victory over me.

Of course, that match counts.

Why was I not given the opportunity to face Shimmy with my partner, 2v1 has I had earned? I remember killing Rufus, but funnily enough, he was immediately back?

This is a shocking precedent for all forthcoming events - basically, if someone stops moving and makes the claim that something else on their computer has caused them loss of control of Graal, they get to redo the match.

Shocking indeed.

[clayman]

LOLOOOLOL FAT KIDS CRYING ICECREAM

[kai]

We got the point. You message Night this stuff now, not just post. You know this only ends up with the corrupt Staff getting his friends to defend him.


And what's this SmallWindow/UDP Enabled thingie?

[Yump]

Honestly I make sure to close all my IM programs to make sure windows dont pop up since I lost that championship to Nighty 3 or 4 years ago. I didn't get a redo. It isn't the GC's responsibility to ensure that a player has all his programs in line. That move completely demoralized kevin's team from an easy win.


EDIT:

kai, UDP off gives you a delay during sparring, which enables easier comboing. It isnt banned, but lots of crappier sparrers use it to become "good". Small window is a placebo making it seem you're moving faster.

[kai]

I bet those UN people (coughbtkcough) uses it

[Thor]

You hit him 2 times before he froze, i am skeptical about whether he really did have a popup, and yeah i think and it was definately unfair that round 1 was restarted completely, should have been a restart with health deduction or no restart at all, but you lost fairly 3 times, you can call rufus a jew all you like, make accusations towards Kills relationship with him, but you lost the belts fairly in the end.

[kai]

I think Thor is saying
Kill did something corrupt
but in the end you would've lost anyways


Edit: Because think of it, it didnt matter if Rufus won first round or not, he would've ended up doing that cheat (if he did), right?

[MysticX2X]

I think rufus is a ****ing faggot.

But damn kevin you must suck. rufus is one of the worst sparrers on classic. Even if he uses a delay. I never really personally seen this udp delay, people use it as an excuse, but i seen a couple use udp on Un never classic.

[kill]

Let's get this clear; Kid Oni was hosting, and I was supervising.
Yeah, Rufus had a pop up when he was on 5hp.
He froze completely, didn't talk or anything. Kevin then hit lamed him till he died.
Shimmy came out and was like "WTF stop" etc. Kid Oni STOPPED the game.
He was unsure of what had happened, I told him what he missed since he was lagging abit (I had to take control in some parts of the game because of his connection), HE (Oni) then healed everyone and I assumed he knew what was going to happen -- So I stepped back and let him host his event. He dealt with it by redoing the round because to him, it was unfair that Rufus had been 'lamed' because of that pop up thing.
So I found nothing wrong with that and let him get on with it.

Kevin's team went on with the event and they got owned... really badly... Kevin was on 1hp and went into his teams side to cry how Rufus got his round re-done... We were waiting / talking / (shimmy was kinda spamming) to get things going. Nothing worked... Kevin and his partner (Flameboy) refused to spar.

So I took control, I forced the team to spar, closed the doors and the event went on.
Yeah, Rufus' team won. But then we did that round again so that Kevin would shut up and spar.
So even though Rufus' team technically had won... the scores were 0-1 and we re-did the round. So there, Kevin got what he wanted and things were fair for both teams because:
Rufus' team was still in the lead.
Kevin had a re-do.

So then things went smoothely thereafter and Shimmy and Rufus won the tag team champs fair and square. So I don't see where Kai is making this thing up about me going corrupt because it was Kid Oni who did most of the actions, I only took control when things got out of hand.

[kevlor]

I didn't really want a redo, I wanted the event to progress where it had been interrupted.

Rufus dead, Me at 8 health.

You're still doing nothing to disprove that Rufus just isn't lying like a weasel about a pop up appearing, and YOU summoned Rufus back Kill. You brought him back, not Oni.

You then proceeded to have Rufus kill me to "win the round" while I was still talking with Oni.

[kai]

kill said:

Let's get this clear; Kid Oni was hosting, and I was supervising.

So, from what you're saying and what I've been told.
KidOni is on tag while you host an event. That's what I been told, KidOni doesnt seem to get to do what he wants or thinks.

[cetellic]

Anyway I don't see no wrong by Kill or Kid Oni. Rufus was put into the position where he couldn't fight back giving you an "unnatural victory" (UVs normally happen when someone isn't ready when the match starts and they get hit a couple of times without being able to defend themself). UVs are for the most part not the GC's fault, so GCs don't have to give the victim a redo. At the same time it's not the victim's fault - well it could be but it's hard to prove whether or not that was the case so I assume it's not their fault. Because of this I normally ask if the winner agress to a rematch because the winner technically won but they have the chance to be honorable or dishonorable.

GC's don't have to ask the winner if they want to rematch though and most likely they'd react of their own thoughts to determine if the victim deserves a second chance. Also Kid Oni was hosting the event, Kill was supervising meaning that Kill should sit back and observe Oni's actions but Kill does have the right to take over the event at anytime should he feel things have gotten out of hand.

The situation was completely a result of GC's operating, there was no corruption since they didn't alter the actual fighting (you lost the fights fair and square) and even though a ruling didn't work in your favor it would've been better if you pulled a "oh well we'll win anyway". - this could be flawed cause I don't know exactly what happened but oh well it's not my job to scramble these problems.

Wow that post started off simple, and then got SUPER LONG. I gotta figure out how to stop my posts from getting on huge on me =(

[Rufus]

Nice thread, shame it is missing quite a lot of information, yet filled with fanciful words and stupid opinions.

I wasn't happy with the win, and during what felt like 10 minutes of discussing what had happened in the event I didn't even want to play. I was a part of a team though, so for Shimmy's sake I continued. During the "discussion" I asked Night to come on player and sort it out himself, because he was on RC at the time but he logged off shortly after.

You (Mon Jan 14 01:19:41 2008):
Can you come on player and come to this event..

With that aside, taking a look at the facts for a moment.. The match had started, and I got down to 5hp. Windows update popped up, and I could see Graal still and Kevin was allowed to lame me from 5 to 0. I asked Trip what he would have done in this scenario, leaving out who was playing, hosting and who was in what position, and he would have stopped the match then, and I agree. The match wasn't stopped however, I was allowed to get lamed.

The first match was then redone, and the second match came I beat Kevin to 1 heart with 4hp (I think) left, and then both players refused to leave their side obviously convinced at this point they were going to lose. After a whole load of crying and Kevin coming out to lame an extra two hp off me, that match was redone, in favor of Kevin. At this point we have had two matches redone, one because I was lamed and one because Kevin was owned. With this alone, I'd think it would have been the start of an equal game.

Next round, Shimmy and I won again. Match after that, Shimmy defeated Flameboy and got Kevin to a lowish hp. I then walked in, Kevin attempted to pretend as though he had crashed, but I'd got a hit in. Kill dropped hp, he still remained stagnant, and when Kill hit him into the hp with his Boomerang he tried to catch me off guard. He still lost the match, but barely.

2 - 0 up to Shimmy and I, should have been 3-1 if the matches were not restarted. Either way, Team Pigeon, Kevin and Flameboy (replacement for Ceaser) lost their titles. "Exploitation" is bullpoo, you're claiming I used that to ensure one victory, although Shimmy beat you both in that final round practically so yeah.

Now I'm all for leaving the titles up in the air for anyone to get because the event was just lame, but Shimmy would have to agree on that, and I can't see that happening. Now if anyone sat and looked at things objectively without names, like Trip and any other decent GC would, the story speaks for itself. It's too easy to say that I controlled Kill in my favor, but please try something with substance.

[xaphan]

i like swans

[kai]

Xaphan wins my heart for that post.