Official World Countries Tier List Discussion

[Stryker]

And my biggest gripe with the thread is not your motives but the fact you can't discuss a tier list that would be based mostly off bias since nobody here can fully comment on any countries, not even their own, without bias. Your motive of trying to get people to disagree was included because it's very well known how much certain people disapprove of other countries on Graal(and you even mentioned Mystic in your list, to further my point).

You seem to be ignoring the fact which I pointed out. Oh that's right, you're trying to save face. I forgot. Ignoring points that you can't refute usually is involved in that.

Note:Last post I'm making. Point has already been proven and I'm only giving you what you wanted in an argument from this thread, albeit for a different reason.

[kill]

Yes... this is a Graal forum and it will always be related back to it whether you like it or not.
It will be interesting to see what other people think where some of the countries should go, I didn't doubt that people will be biased either, hell, everyone in the world is different and it's intriguing to see how they see the world.

This thread, although says Official, relates to more of the discussion part as being official. There was many threads where myself and Gladius mostly argued about who's country is more superior, and now others have taken trend to that, so I thought there should be a discussion thread about it, theres nothing wrong in that.

[gladius]

Ok look dude. Having a UK vs US debate between you (kill) and myself is one thing since we both live in our respective countries.

But having a list of countries we've never been too, much less lived in, really doesn't work out. It's nice that you share your opinions and such Kill, but stryker does have a point.

The only reason you put Canada + Australia in top tier is b/c their connection with the british empire. If that isn't bias then idk what is.

Just because I live in the US doesn't mean I represent/know about the entire country. I've visited/been through many states, but I've only lived in two. Even then, I've only lived in about 5 cities (2 as a small child though so those don't even count). I can comment on the generalities of some aspects of America, but do remember that there are a lot of people here (250 mil+) that sadly have a different opinion than I do.

Same applies to everyone else. Now Kill I don't know how many cities/towns you've lived in in Britian, or how many countries on the list you've visted/lived in. But unless you've walked in their shoes, literally, it's tough to call this "official".

In summary. Kill has a point. This is a simple discussion on what countries we believe are top notch and what countries...erm...have a way to go. Yet styrker has a point as well. This isn't really "official" since none of us are qualified to talk about each of these countries like we know wtf we're talking about. Plus bias is all over this arguement.

Anyways.

*waives US flag*

[Gemini]

UK>all other countries

[kill]

Kill I don't know how many cities/towns you've lived in in Britian, or how many countries on the list you've visted/lived in. But unless you've walked in their shoes, literally, it's tough to call this "official".

Glad, i've been to many of those countries:
France, Italy, Greece, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Holland, Germany... we'll leave it there I'd rather not boast. Since Britain is rather small, i've seen about 70% of it. Just came back from a city yesterday actually.

The conditions those countries live in, especially in low tier is just appauling, it's really sad to see but their governments don't give 2-sh!ts about. For example, India is sending a rocket into the moon this week even though their people are starving to death.

I also raised that last question about how a country with only 35k people has a country while an ethnic group of 40million doesn't to raise the issues about the world we live in, this thread is more of a discussion than just a tier list, I didn't intend on it to be taken seriously, just somewhere we can discuss whats wrong with those countries in our world.

The only reason you put Canada + Australia in top tier is b/c their connection with the british empire. If that isn't bias then idk what is.

You are right about that though, I changed it up to something alot more logical.

[gladius]

Yeah India is hella ****ed up like that.

My point is, although you've been to all those countries (grats on the traveling btw), you still haven't lived in their shoes for an extended ammount of time.

Never judge a book by its cover. Every country has a poor class that will live in bad conditions. Some are worse than others. It's easy to compare countries based on living condition. It's hard to compare countries based on what their contributions have been to history.

If you're going to make a tier list for countries, at least define what it is based on so we can intelligently debate about it.

[MysticX2X]

Lol.....Kill man, you have to stop overappraising yourself. But let's start out with some bias you stated in your tier list.

Numerous reasons for UK being a "top tier" country? First of all, UK has weak military power. Sure bring out that they have the best navy in the world but who the **** uses the Navy these days?

You're right, India may be in a low sort of crisis but that is due to their overwhelming population and poor income rate. Just seems like you ranked it so low just because of me.

Stryker is right, there is no way to accurately rank countries. There are actually lots of things countries can be ranked upon, but you're just looking to make a debate/make yourself feel good about your country.

[gladius]

If you look at it historically...the UK has been one of the most important countries/empires/commonwealths ever. It started the industrial revolution. It invented the tank. It's rejected people left and founded America.

The last three centuries of human history has british fingerprints all over it. Top tier indeed.

[MysticX2X]

Uk has also lost the revolutionary war, almost lost WWII if US hadn't intervened, and lost the independence battle to India. Sure India may be a poor country, but the majority are smarter than the average brit (i.e Kill).

[tatsi]

I read the tier list, laughed, and skipped right to here.

Not a smart idea to do this, pretty lame. Anyone from US will tell you we are the top, come on, we are, we own the poo out of all of you.

Anyone from UK will tell you they are top poo. It doesnt work, i mean US has kicked alot of ass in wars, shouldnt we be on top then? Pretty dumb thread.

Lets keep nationalities and countries and stupid crap out of this, WE ARE ALL GRAALIANS OMGOMG LELELEL.

[Yump]

delete this thread israel (a third world country) and canada (top 3 country) should never ever be in the same tier

btw kill lol at "they created this country by themselves" lol yeah if by themselves means with armed help from the united states.

[gladius]

Look mystic. They might have lost the rev war in the colonies but they won elsewhere after france entered the war. Once the frenchies got involved, the colonies became second-tier and their more important colonies (india, carib. islands, etc.) became the new focus.

America didn't really "win" more then 3 major battles in the war. Essentially we didn't "lose" a battle bad enough to cost us the war. But it worked LOL.

But seriously, a lot of countries would have lost if the US didn't get involved.

And the average indian is no where near as smart as an irishman, much less the average englishman. Why do you think all the phone companies move to india and hire people off the streets to answer their customer service calls? Because it's simple and they can pay them next to nothing.

[gladius]

Not sure how israel would be called a third world country. It's done pretty well for itself despite being the size of...new jersey (guessing) and surrounded by about 4 hostile arab nations that have tried repeatedly to kill it. Six day war, anyone?

Kill pointed this out on the list.

[MysticX2X]

Oct 30, 2008 12:02:22 GMT -5 gladius said:

Look mystic. They might have lost the rev war in the colonies but they won elsewhere after france entered the war. Once the frenchies got involved, the colonies became second-tier and their more important colonies (india, carib. islands, etc.) became the new focus.

America didn't really "win" more then 3 major battles in the war. Essentially we didn't "lose" a battle bad enough to cost us the war. But it worked LOL.

But seriously, a lot of countries would have lost if the US didn't get involved.

And the average indian is no where near as smart as an irishman, much less the average englishman. Why do you think all the phone companies move to india and hire people off the streets to answer their customer service calls? Because it's simple and they can pay them next to nothing.

Yeah they won some, but they lost a lot in their rulings which is a bigger pwn.


As for the intelligence issue.....Do you realize India has about 1 billion people? I'm not saying the average Indian is smarter than a brit but most of the population can be considering from what i see of the brit intelligence. Just look at Kill. Considers himself to be the smarter half of Britain yet appears as a moron.

As for the job issue, do you realize a lot of jobs in the country are pretty race discrimatory? Cut your bullcrap, you sound very biased. I think i would know where most well educated Indians would stand. What do you think having a MD requires? An engineer? Programming? Intelligence. These are the jobs some Indians can actually get in America. India is a different issue because many people grown up poor due to the overpopulation of the country which is why they can be charged low wages because some cannot even get a job. It's common sense and we're debating the better half of India.

And just to better it up, who is one of the richest men in the UK? Oh, an indian. Yeah, they're real dumb. Who created one of the most successful web mails on the tinernet? Oh, the dumb indians.

[kill]

Dude.. you can't mess with the UK, the military power is one of the best in the world, where the hell are you getting your stats from? their motto is 'Be the best' for a reason dumbass...

Who uses the navy?
Uhh.. you're forgetting that the UK is surrounded by water, one of the 2 ways to get to our country is through water, so we're 99% secure from any attacks. The other way is through air, The British R.A.F (Royal Air Force) is once again one of the best in the world, second to only the US in terms of military spending, we made many air crafts that many countries use too. Ever heard of the British Aerospace EAP? they made the 2nd best fighter plane in the world, the Typhoon.

The fact we had 2/3 of the world at one stage, including British mandates + all the independence we gave to so many countries (such as Cyprus etc), as well as your hometown India which we ruled for 100 years+, shows that the UK is a force not to be messed with, which is why the USA has been our allies for so long, and vice versa.