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Post by gladius on Oct 31, 2008 16:29:29 GMT -5
*sigh*
Why start this up again?
People aren't supposed to have advantages in events. You can weigh the adv/disadv all you want but people are supposed to be on even ground.
Doing my job making sure it's as quality an event as possibly by making two even teams, on paper.
If the players yell/bitch at the GC, I see no reason why we can't fight back occasionally.
Darkus pmed me the other day asking about why he never heard about the CTF League. Apparently no one was massing about it when he was on. If only there was another way to tell people about it...like a giant sign or billboard with important information on it...
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Post by MysticX2X on Oct 31, 2008 16:37:00 GMT -5
Alright Mystic, lets look at the debates... Lag debate - Laggers have disadvantages and advantages. There's situations where it will help, there's situations where it will not. Is this information bias? Ignorant? an opinion? Ignorant in your standards I don't know your point with this but we usually aren't bias with choosing which players to make caps or who should be picked. Generally, we like to spread the skill around, but you keep ruining that choosing crap teams. That is an opinion but we do whatever is best for the event. No debate there but you went out of your way to preform a deed you never had to do. It was a level no one went in but you felt the need to stretch your powers to do that. That's being like a little guinea pig for Night. You mean you rambling some bias ignorant opinions while Gladius makes you look like an idiot while he may appear to be an idiot himself at some points. Lets take this now. Gladius makes me look like an idiot, but he only appears to be an idiot himself at some points... is this Bias? You're clearly playing it safe with Gladius for whatever reasons. Is it ignorant? Yes, else according to you Gladius can do no wrong and only appears to be an idiot when he does. Is it an opinion? This ain't even fun anymore.[/quote] I would say Gladius would be owning you, but he is currently acting like a moron in the other thread. Most of your points are stupid and ignorant, while Gladius can sometimes be truthful and refute most of your points. Though he can refute every one of your points, he gets to the point of being too extreme in his ideals which i emphasize whenever he hosts and singles me out most of the time (i.e see no mystic ctf). I'm not trying to play it safe with him. Why would i have to? Nailing me down? LOL? You're being arrogant once again. |
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Post by cetellic on Oct 31, 2008 17:17:41 GMT -5
Just great... dealing with the twin dragons again. Join forces with Tatsumi for tripledragons?
Gladius why are you here? Oh because I choose a point that is against what the majority of players believe. For example everyone complains about lag in CTF, so you feel like golden boy when you stand up for that. Just great... unfortunately I get no challenge out of you, since the only thing keeping you truggin is this "everyone agrees with me" and not "my point is actually strong". This goes for your Lag debate, even team debate, yell/bitchin debate, sign debate. For example rather then find another way since Signs aren't supposed to be laid in the overworld you're going to fight tooth and nail over it, even if you manage to somehow overthrow me in the debate you'd still fail, as I can still delete your signs and be justified. Problem is you don't realize this, you can't see past the obvious and is stuck. You know the debate favors me, so you just want to talk and not actually put your theories to the test, unless it's a popularity test of course.
Mystic, Everything I said was a fact, it cannot be ignorant if it's true, cannot be opinion if it's fact. You think Gladius owns me only because you agree, so your thoughts are biased, and you want to use that biasness to somehow overthrow me but it won't happen. Your way of playing the game is outdated, and the counters towards that particular tactic are too strong for someone who knows what they're doing to even consider it, else I'd be showing off the pms I get of "Clel why do you even bother with them" and "LMFAO YOU PWNT EM!!" like they were trophies. BTW You did play it safe, why else would you say "he appears to be an idiot" and not "he is an idiot" like you called me. Are you just angry with me or something?
Predictable posts... you guys gotta learn how to cover yourselves alot better, else it's a waste.
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Post by Luda on Oct 31, 2008 17:26:12 GMT -5
FLY @ MY FKN SOUP. GTFO
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Post by gladius on Oct 31, 2008 19:04:36 GMT -5
LoL Clel you really should be a novelist.
But seriously you're misguided again. I don't feel like I have to be a poster dino in the crusade against laggers. I don't do it because most people don't like laggers. As a ctf player that defends a lot, I've fought against many laggers through my time, with mixed degrees of success. I've beaten thor and thor has run circles around me. I've slapped around oni and oni has walked through me. Now I am not the best defender ever, but I'm pretty darn good. So when I have trouble with these laggers, the majority of players are going to have trouble with them too. The point is, when entire teams are brought down by their inability to combat someone with a wierd recoil/reach/movement, it is simply not fair. Since it is not fair, it should not be allowed. It's hard to get more simple than that. I could make a paragraph for each of these subjects but there's no need. Neither one of us are going to budge. I'll comment on the sign issue though. Clel I'll fight tooth and claw over something I believe is correct. I disagree with signs being disallowed when they could be beneficiary. I find it logical that masses and signs together would work better than masses alone. Now I don't care what the rule says. Not all rules are good, nor are they all correct. I don't usually even need to put signs on the overworld. I simply wanted to increase advertising for the ctf league season 2. Predictably, I didn't get the number of people I hoped for. Could signs have prevented this? Who cares. I did what I felt was right and beneficial to the league I was attempting to get organized. If you didn't agree with it, then so be it; that's your choice.
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Post by cetellic on Oct 31, 2008 20:03:57 GMT -5
The point is, when entire teams are brought down by their inability to combat someone with a wierd recoil/reach/movement, it is simply not fair. Whole teams lose to lag but I scored nearly every goals in tons of games when I was at 50ms. So both me at 50ms and spike laggers can bring teams down. Spike lag is pretty nifty, on their screen if things freeze and there's a gap, they can take an advantage of that gap ez there's nothing you can do. And if you're lolligaggin around and is not playing "anti-spike lag" defense chances of this gap being stuck on their screen increase. On the flip side if the gap is not there then there's nothing they can do about it. Recoil will show up late on their screen and it sometimes won't even look like defenders moved. Problem is the oh so simple wall solution rarely happens. It's just like me learning how to go against Mighty and Thor, it takes a bit of work and a bit of getting used to, but once you accept it and get it, it's just another thing you can counter. To bann Mighty or Thor just cause they can hit me from miles away seems absurb, since I can do stuff to make up for that and it's still possible for me to compete against them, even though it's not technically fair. That's how I see it. Sure I'd prefer a nice clean game. If they're not intentionally laggin and don't want it have them reconnect. But if they go "FUX WE'RE LOSING, we're gunna show that red team! Turn on the laggies!!" I'll be the first in line to show them they can get pwnt lag or not. Clel I'll fight tooth and claw over something I believe is correct. I disagree with signs being disallowed when they could be beneficiary. I find it logical that masses and signs together would work better than masses alone. Now I don't care what the rule says. Not all rules are good, nor are they all correct. Signs+Masses do work better then Masses alone, but it's failed logic. Signs on the overworld are justifiably deletable. So why even bother with that? If I were in your shoes I'd say screw it and put my creative uses elsewhere. If you're going to sit there arguing with a set in stone rule you're wasting time, the rule ain't going anywhere - Gravity won't keep you from falling just cause you don't think it's correct. I disagree with tons of stuff and rules, but I work within the limitations. Stop wasting everyone's time as it's doesn't take a rocket scientist to know sign+masses work better then masses alone. It's already been taken into account that signs+masses aren't ruled out because they suck at effectiveness. |
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Post by MysticX2X on Oct 31, 2008 20:26:20 GMT -5
Mystic, Everything I said was a fact, it cannot be ignorant if it's true, cannot be opinion if it's fact. You think Gladius owns me only because you agree, so your thoughts are biased, and you want to use that biasness to somehow overthrow me but it won't happen. Your way of playing the game is outdated, and the counters towards that particular tactic are too strong for someone who knows what they're doing to even consider it, else I'd be showing off the pms I get of "Clel why do you even bother with them" and "LMFAO YOU PWNT EM!!" like they were trophies. BTW You did play it safe, why else would you say "he appears to be an idiot" and not "he is an idiot" like you called me. Are you just angry with me or something? Predictable posts... you guys gotta learn how to cover yourselves alot better, else it's a waste. Ummm...A lot of your points were an opinion. The lagging issue....It's at GC discretion to deal with laggers. There is no fact when to kick them or not. It's in the eye of the GCs to decide that. And I am not playing it safe with Gladius. He does appear to be dumb at some times but you appear even more stupid at a majority of the time. Glad is being a ****ing moron in the other thread, i called him out there. I'm not playing it safe with him, and if he wants to rebuttal, i'll give him one back. Don't go there with that point, Clel. You will get owned bad. In regards to people pming you about "owning", do they not realize all you do is rinse and repeat? You say the same thing over and over again and give your own bias opinions. Your little player picking debate failed when you got near flawed in a bunch of games you tried picking the "low tier players". You claimed it was superstition that we tried to govern your pick, but we knew you wouldn't win. We just knew. |
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Post by gladius on Oct 31, 2008 20:49:37 GMT -5
Clel, clel, clel.
Thor and mighty use skill to dominate people. Reach helps too but that's not the issue here. Laggers don't use skill to score. They cheat the system and the other players of a fair game. You can't compare the two. Thor and Mighty are just plain good. Laggers are just plain bad for the game.
If signs+masses do work better, then why not use them? Sounds logical. But w/e. The rules say otherwise and you did what you felt was right.
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Post by cetellic on Nov 1, 2008 6:01:16 GMT -5
I'm going to give you each a post then it's lock down time. Gladius, I didn't even have to plot the trap but since you were so nice and decided to jump in it's really gunna be a bother for you. You see, Oni has lagged, Thor has lagged, I have lagged, and without lag we're all still key players. You say "Thor has skills" but did he have skills when he lagged? You've already answered no, laggers don't use skill. Then how come we're still useful without lag since it's making up for our lack of skill? Now we have to re-insert the lag debate from the beginning, cause you have to prove how spike lag demishes skill requirements. Eventually you're going to have to provide proof, which you failed to do the last million times we entered the debate. This is why you lose, cause you fail to show me proof of how what I say is wrong, therefore you're not refuting it cuz I'm still alotted to think what I'm saying is right. Surely it's the same for you, but we can only talk cause you don't want to take things further, so I generally will win everytime, willingness to prove will beat lack of such everytime. You showed me a vid of Oni spike lagging and I told you exactly why everything happened the way it did. It wasn't anything new and it was a logical outcome. More proof? Or give Clel the win? You're stuck so you spew bullcrap defenses, then people on grudge-trips go "OMG CLEL YOU GOT RAPED BY THOSE BULLCRAP DEFENSES!". For proof of pride you need to look no further then this reply #14 at the bottom of page one. I was not entering in a debate with you... at all. I was stating information and asking Mystic if it was bias, ignorant, or an opinion. You go "CLEL WTF OMG NOT AGAIN" like I was entering a debate when I said nothing about your half of it. You, as a person, were only mentioned in the post cause of the new Mystic Has Man Crush On Gladius debate. Defending yourself when there's no need to proves you're all pride as you have no hope of competing, if you did you would've brought some new information to the table which could tip the debate in your favor. Then there's the goldenboy bit. If you don't have the backing of the people clel, where does your support lie The people have my back on this one clel. I threw up the poll so the people could speak their force. There isn't much of a higher opinion than that of the people playing clel. The majority of the people have an important opinion indeed. The people want fair teams As you can see you've played this people junk tons of times. Yet claim I'm misguided to call you golden boy, and that your debate is not at all impowered by people opinions. You don't want to look dependant for whatever reason and so you pretty much bought the rope, put it around your own neck, and kicked yourself off the tree - all without intentionally commiting suicide somehow. Congrats. |
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Post by cetellic on Nov 1, 2008 6:10:56 GMT -5
Mystic as for you it's simple. Clel = Arrogant, Arrogant = Always Wrong, therefore Clel = Always wrong. Problem is Arrogant != always wrong, yet you believe so and think you can say anything you want no matter how wrong or right and OH WELL CLEL YOU'RE ARROGANT SO YOU'RE ALWAYS WRONG, AND I DISAGREE SO EVEN IF WHAT I SAY IS COMPLETE STUPIDITY I'M RIGHT.
you're only defense for not having a man crush on Gladius is that you're in a fight with him on another thread, woopie do. You still were all like "appear" which is looks like but maybe not, and you still debate on his side non-stop, and you're still VERY touchy about this... telling me "not to go there". It's done, it's a waste, it's locked.
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