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Post by gladius on Dec 11, 2008 18:13:04 GMT -5
Off topic: I actually like graal city somewhat. Never loved it but it was a decent change up. I can see why people hate it though. You can't defend worth jack in that map (like anyone would anyways) and it takes forever for people to hunt someone down.
I understand your position dawg, but people stopped trying because the npcs were off, not because of the npcs. If people had really stopped playing because of your npcs (which would cause a cancelation) like you said, everyone would have stopped at the start. But they didn't. The npcs had a negative impact on some of the players, but the lack of the npcs being there had a worse impact on others.
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Post by cetellic on Dec 11, 2008 18:37:39 GMT -5
Well yes, them being there in the first place enabled the desire for them once they were removed... them merely existing could cause a desire for them to be on without them EVER being in the level, had that been the case they still would've caused the cancellation...
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Post by gladius on Dec 11, 2008 19:11:26 GMT -5
Yeah last time I checked no one has been asking for me to host CTF with your items. I know it breaks your heart clel. I just don't see the desire from the people for the npcs to be on, outside of Laura and Shimmy. Since the desire for them to be on without them ever being in the level doesn't exist, no further cancellations will be needed.
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Post by cetellic on Dec 11, 2008 20:34:17 GMT -5
Yeah last time I checked no one has been asking for me to host CTF with your items. The logic I've invoked still remains sound however, you could still blame the NPCs whether they were there or not.
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Post by gladius on Dec 11, 2008 21:02:26 GMT -5
True or False: If the npcs weren't there, I wouldn't have had to cancel the game because people stopped trying because they got removed.
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Post by cetellic on Dec 12, 2008 0:33:01 GMT -5
Your true or false question (though true) is a stray, for the reality of it holds no merit in the debate. Since the NPCs can be the cause without being there at all, they can definitely be the cause if they were there and then removed.
We'll proceed to the next episode - Gladius now has to be creative and make up why the NPCs can't have anything to do with the chain reaction if there not there at all. Even if he succeeds on said episode it'll only buy him some time.
Don't worry guys, this will end by replay #500...
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Post by kill on Dec 12, 2008 5:18:17 GMT -5
Read none of this, but wondering why there is a 'Murder article' ad at the top of this thread? wtf has one of you said to trigger such an advert?
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Post by cetellic on Dec 12, 2008 6:36:08 GMT -5
Oh it must've been my items "killing" the event lawls.
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Post by gladius on Dec 12, 2008 9:06:36 GMT -5
Of course clel. The npcs can totally be the cause of the cancellation without them being in the level. Shimmy and Laura were totally gonna stop playing in the middle of the game because I removed npcs that weren't in the level.
You still have yet to prove how the npcs can cause the cancellation without being in the level. Your "desire for them to be on" claim is bs and has already been addressed.
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Post by cetellic on Dec 12, 2008 9:34:50 GMT -5
Of course clel. The npcs can totally be the cause of the cancellation without them being in the level. Shimmy and Laura were totally gonna stop playing in the middle of the game because I removed npcs that weren't in the level. Yet again, you have to understand the position and ideas I'm conveying before you can form a proper counter. For example I agree with your sarcasm, which says Shimmy and Laura would not stop playing because of the NPCs that weren't there to begin with. Had you known such you would not have wasted your time with this moment of sarcasm, so it shows your lack of understanding. You still have yet to prove how the npcs can cause the cancellation without being in the level. Your "desire for them to be on" claim is bs and has already been addressed. I've already said the "reality of" or the "probability of the NPCs, while not being in the level, still causing drastic effects in your event" has no effect on the argument. The original statement presents it's power despite no proof of it being plausible or realistic, so I have no reason to prove it's plausible or realistic. Also Since the whole "desire for them to be on" bs holds no merit in itself any refutes of it hold no merit aswell.
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Post by gladius on Dec 12, 2008 10:00:59 GMT -5
The majority of people voted yes to remove them. Last time I checked, the majority wins in this country. Although shimmy expressed that he wanted the npcs to stay via txt, I don't recall laura ever saying anything aloud. Thus I never expected several people to just stop playing just because they lost the vote. I'm so-so on the npcs, but whether they get removed or not shouldn't effect if a player plays or not. Maybe thats just me. Apparently laura and shimmy felt differently, and thus a ctf game was ruined. So no, I didn't know three people would stop trying. I just did my job.
If it has no proof behind it nor is it realistic, it has no power. If the npcs weren't in the level, there wouldn't have been a problem with them. End of story. If you can't prove how them not being in the level could still cause an effect, then it would seem that I wouldn't have to prove how they wouldn't have an effect when they weren't in the level, even though they wouldn't.
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Post by cetellic on Dec 12, 2008 12:45:47 GMT -5
I'm so-so on the npcs, but whether they get removed or not shouldn't effect if a player plays or not. Maybe thats just me. Apparently laura and shimmy felt differently, and thus a ctf game was ruined. So no, I didn't know three people would stop trying. I just did my job. You're a GC, and one of the things you're going to have to work with as GC is people, they shape and mold your event. I see your point of view however it's wrong to say "whether they get removed or not shouldn't effect if a player plays or not.", I can understand your dislike of it happening, I can understand you not expecting it, but I cannot understand that you'd not accept or see any logic in players not continuing to play after something they liked is removed, regardless if the means of removal are fair or not. If it has no proof behind it nor is it realistic, it has no power. If the npcs weren't in the level, there wouldn't have been a problem with them. End of story. If you can't prove how them not being in the level could still cause an effect, then it would seem that I wouldn't have to prove how they wouldn't have an effect when they weren't in the level, even though they wouldn't. You'd like to not have to prove anything, you're a scrub, all you know is bs and stray... in which this whole situation within itself is a stray. You're fighting your wrongfulness in this situation so stupidly that I'd focus on your new found stupidity, rather then seal the trap I've already set you in. Good deal, however fighting the stupidity helps me because it keeps this going, and I need a online brain teaser going for when I have to travel, and you need to this to keep going so you won't lose, so win-win? =) As for this new found stupidity, it's simple. The NPCWs enter the mind, within the mind are times of fun had with said NPCWs, when the person plays CTF and sees the NPCWs out and active the fun times are remembered and relived, when you take the NPCWs away you unexpectingly cut short the reliving experience. And because we are humans that causes pain. Guess what Laura and Shimmy did? Now to trigger said pain you don't have to go through that hefty process of the NPCs being there. Laura and Shimmy could have been playing, said "No C4s? wtf gay!" and reconnected outta there leaving you with no replacements. C4s still effected them. Your argument is that this is merely impossible or not likely so it's a crap argument. Nothing could be further from the truth. Because of the context of how I used my point (to prove that in the event that they weren't there and a cancellation happened because of them, you could still say Clel's weapons caused it) it matters not how plausible the example I give is.
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Post by gladius on Dec 12, 2008 13:14:01 GMT -5
Ok so they like your little c4 + staff npcs and mean old glad decides to take them away. Bo-ho. They have a right to be mad, but they should get glad! Seriously, it is graal. Don't go cry over something so trivial. The game was still on, your team could have still won despite the hole you were in. As much as people beg, cry, and pray for ctf, it's pretty sad to see people leave games or stop trying. And when you stop trying when a few new npcs are removed when you could still use all the ones you've always used in ctf future ...I am simply disappointed.
My wrongfulness? My wrongfulness? Rofl clel. Glad didn't do anything wrong. If 2-3 people decided to stop trying because everyone else wanted the npcs removed then so be it.
That is the dumbest theory I've ever heard. CTF is fun in it's own right. Items add an element to ctf, sure, but they don't make or break the fun factor. Now I don't know how many times you've hosted ctf with your little toys, but that was the first time I had seen them. I don't know if shimmy and laura had seen them/used them extensively, but I highly doubt it. If shimmy and laura are so in love with your toys that they can't stand to play without them, then thats their problem. It might have cost one ctf future game but it won't cost another because they won't be there next time, now will they clel?
If a ctf future game is going on and your items are not present, and in the middle of the game someone suddenly decides "oh i wanted c4" and leaves....well that is just pretty ****ing retarded. If you want ctf so badly, shut up and play whatever the GC decides to host. Now if there are leftover items in a level that a GC didn't expect, then that could lead to some issues. Since that isn't usually the case, a player is going to be happy that ctf is being hosted, until they're losing or their teamates suck, etc.
It is not possible for an event to be cancelled because of npcs that aren't there. Out of sight, out of mind. If people are so infatuated with past ctf games that they absolutely have to have your npcs, then they might as well wait for you to host your weekly ctf game. And, as I've said before: the removal of the npcs caused people to stop trying which caused a cancellation; not the npcs themselves. Therefor your statement is incorrect sir.
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Post by cetellic on Dec 12, 2008 13:52:56 GMT -5
LOL the response was so stupid I don't even think this is a debate anymore Clel wins due to Gladius stupidity? Haha Ok so they like your little c4 + staff npcs and mean old glad decides to take them away. Bo-ho. They have a right to be mad, but they should get glad! Seriously, it is graal. Don't go cry over something so trivial. This just means you're angry at the fact that they got angry... it in no way breaks down my point. The game was still on, your team could have still won despite the hole you were in. As much as people beg, cry, and pray for ctf, it's pretty sad to see people leave games or stop trying. And when you stop trying when a few new npcs are removed when you could still use all the ones you've always used in ctf future ...I am simply disappointed. My team wasn't anywhere ;D you're just mad they reacted negatively big whoop boo hoo, don't get disappointed over something as trivial as graal, why get disappointed anyway? You actually had hopes for this game? Aw poor dino boy doesnt take getting rocked in a debate too well hmmm? I'd be pissed too, especially after using all that cheap junk... I mean how stupid do you have to be to STILL LOSE when you have literally no limitations, you can lie your ass off and get away with it LOL and STILL LOSE LMFAO!!!! RIBS HURTING, THIS IS RICH!!!! My wrongfulness? My wrongfulness? Rofl clel. Glad didn't do anything wrong. If 2-3 people decided to stop trying because everyone else wanted the npcs removed then so be it. If you read my post you'd see that the wrongfulness in which I addressed has little to do with 2-3 people deciding to stop trying ect. ect. and you canceling the event. Clel's too smoothie for dumb dinos, get back in your cage ROFLMAO That is the dumbest theory I've ever heard. CTF is fun in it's own right. Items add an element to ctf, sure, but they don't make or break the fun factor. Now I don't know how many times you've hosted ctf with your little toys, but that was the first time I had seen them. I don't know if shimmy and laura had seen them/used them extensively, but I highly doubt it. If shimmy and laura are so in love with your toys that they can't stand to play without them, then thats their problem. It might have cost one ctf future game but it won't cost another because they won't be there next time, now will they clel? One CTF future was enough I wouldnt want to ruin them all, that just wouldn't be nice. =) If a ctf future game is going on and your items are not present, and in the middle of the game someone suddenly decides "oh i wanted c4" and leaves....well that is just pretty ****ing retarded. Oh you've really lost your footing havent you dino boy how retarded it would be of them indeed LOLOLOLOLOL If you want ctf so badly, shut up and play whatever the GC decides to host. I see, beggers can NOT be chosers hahaha... so they should shut up and settle for Gravity, and Ice, and CTF Small with Custom Gravity set to 1... and whatever other torturous things the GC has in mind =) Oh Gladius the quality entertainment you present... It is not possible for an event to be cancelled because of npcs that aren't there. Out of sight, out of mind. If people are so infatuated with past ctf games that they absolutely have to have your npcs, then they might as well wait for you to host your weekly ctf game. And, as I've said before: the removal of the npcs caused people to stop trying which caused a cancellation; not the npcs themselves. Therefor your statement is incorrect sir. You still fail to read generalizations, ah the richness... I'm nice and secure knowing you'll be trapped in that circle of idiocity for awhile, you're so confused you've basically lost, Gladius is such tiny diny ;D he knows no better haha
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Post by gladius on Dec 12, 2008 14:06:43 GMT -5
Is my name Madius or Gladius? I see so anger here, for I am not with the dark side. More or less I hope that when I take time out of my day to host everyone's favorite event, they'll take it seriously and play to the full extent of their abilities. Apparently that wasn't the case. I don't clel, how stupid do you have to be? Well clel, when you say: You're fighting your wrongfulness in this situation I assumed the "situation" you were referring to was my hosting during the event. Now if thats not the case, maybe you should be more specific. Oh and my cage was broken a long time ago. And you can't afford to be naughty this time of year now can you? (the word you refers to everyone, not you specifically) Indeed it would be. If you tell the players you're hosting it that way and they still join, well then they made a deal with the devil. If you told them in advance, they know what they're getting into (unless they just replied without reading, which is fairly possible). Keep telling yourself that clel. Keep telling yourself that. You simply can't accept the fact that your items weren't the problem and therefor didn't cancel the event.
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