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Post by laura on Dec 10, 2008 10:28:11 GMT -5
i will say it again , WHY are you debating about ctf oh wait gladius need to debate and clel well yea winzor even before debate start , here gladius let me say it so you understand SHIMMY stopped because u turned clel's npc OFF i stopped because i wanted c4 on too and kill just randomly yelled at us the point is We stopped to play because you turned clel npcs OFF and explain me how turning clel npc off didnt cancel that ctf when those were the main thing that made us stop playing? -the end
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Post by gladius on Dec 10, 2008 11:13:23 GMT -5
@ clel. Apparently yes we can get to 9 pages.
@ Laura. Yes thank your for your valuable input laura. I'm sure we didn't establish that already. /end sarcasm.
Like I said earlier, the vote on both sides said Yes to remove the npcs. Why did it to some people if the clel npcs were on? Idk. But they cared too much and obviously they stopped trying as laura says above.
Clel thinks he has this won sense clearly his items were directly responsible for this epic cancel! However it has been established by several sources that the items not being there was the actual culprit! But is this even the root of the problem? Let's take a look using a simple cause-effect chain:
We'll start with this debate going on. What caused this debate? The ctf game that got canceled. Why did it get canceled? The players not trying caused it to be canceled. Why did the players stop trying? Because clel's npcs got removed. What caused the npcs to get removed? The players voted in favor of removing them, or at least the majority. What caused the vote whether or not to remove them? Several players complaining about the npcs. What caused the players to complain? The new npcs were too much for them to handle! Why were the npcs too much for these players? They weren't expecting them to be there. Why were the npcs there? Because clel left them there!
Oh my! It turns out that clel might be the root of the problem after all. This is shocking, since clel was crusading so hard against people leaving NPCs around on levels. In fact, he bitched so much about a few informative statues being on the overworld! In fact, he deleted an event mystic set up in an unused level in zols! OH MY!
It seems that clel leaving his npc enabler npcs in the ctf future level caused some players to complain, which caused a vote to be held, which caused the npcs to be removed, which caused players to stop trying, which caused the game to be canceled!!!!!!! Blame Clel!
Five seconds left, Glad gets the inbounds pass. Mystic comes up to defend him, but glad spins right by him! Half court now, clel moves to defend glad. Glad pauses, crosses him over, pulls up, and HITS THE THREE! Oh my! The three at the buzzer!!!! We're going into overtime laddies and gentlemen!
Oh and btw clel, my math final went well. Thanks for doubting me.
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Post by laura on Dec 10, 2008 11:33:36 GMT -5
It seems that clel leaving his npc enabler npcs in the ctf future level caused some players to complain, which caused a vote to be held, which caused the npcs to be removed, which caused players to stop trying, which caused the game to be canceled!!!!!!! Blame Clel! i will blame u . and lol gladius stop doing long ass poo paragraph if your only Repeating YOURself. you lost the debate , clel is right since the start , me and shimmy stopped trying because majority won the vote, You started the vote because thor said its was lagging the server(more like he was lagging) and i doubt that was a reason to delete them.
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Post by gladius on Dec 10, 2008 11:44:03 GMT -5
More people than thor complained about it. Proof? The majority of people on both sides voted Yes to remove them. The people wanted them deleted, and so I removed them. Got it yet? Why blame glad when glad simply did what the majority of people voted to do? You can claim clel won "before it started" if you want. But lets look at the facts: Since when is: also LOL @ my weapons cancelling a CTF... my bad The same as: We stopped to play because you turned clel npcs OFF If you want to keep saying clel won despite the fact that these two are different, then so be it. And i'll keep repeating myself since all I do is use the facts.
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Post by cetellic on Dec 10, 2008 11:55:22 GMT -5
However it has been established by several sources that the items not being there was the actual culprit! Well yes, them being there in the first place enabled the desire for them once they were removed... them merely existing could cause a desire for them to be on without them EVER being in the level, had that been the case they still would've caused the cancellation... We'll start with this debate going on. What caused this debate? The ctf game that got canceled. Why did it get canceled? The players not trying caused it to be canceled. Why did the players stop trying? Because clel's npcs got removed. What caused the npcs to get removed? The players voted in favor of removing them, or at least the majority. What caused the vote whether or not to remove them? Several players complaining about the npcs. What caused the players to complain? The new npcs were too much for them to handle! Why were the npcs too much for these players? They weren't expecting them to be there. Why were the npcs there? Because clel left them there! If you agree that everything within the chain is responsible, and you can take any one thing from the chain, say that's the blame, and be correct... what's the problem with my statement that got you HYPED UP!!! Oh and btw clel, my math final went well. Thanks for doubting me. Dont worry, I knew doubting you would give you what it took ;D Clel... making a difference from states away... he's so thoughtful ROFL
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Post by cetellic on Dec 10, 2008 11:59:10 GMT -5
You can claim clel won "before it started" if you want. But lets look at the facts: Since when is: also LOL @ my weapons cancelling a CTF... my bad The same as: We stopped to play because you turned clel npcs OFF If you want to keep saying clel won despite the fact that these two are different, then so be it. And i'll keep repeating myself since all I do is use the facts. *Yawn* the NPCs were there, they forced Gladius into problems, he couldn't deal with the problems so he cancelled event... so as you see Gladius those two quotes don't even need to be the same ROFLMAO!!! This debate is so funny it's hard to keep serious... there's just failure around every corner ;D can't wait for next post of bs!
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Post by gladius on Dec 10, 2008 12:23:41 GMT -5
Horse poo.
Npcs were there (which they shouldn't have been btw), people complained, people voted to remove them, npcs got removed, people stopped trying, event canceled.
You covered point A and Point F clel, but you forgot all the stops in between! The giants didn't win the superbowl in 2 stops. It took many many stops and many events that propelled them to their final destination!
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Post by gladius on Dec 10, 2008 12:28:02 GMT -5
@ your reply 124.
But had they not been in the level, they would have never caused this problem and you would never be to blame! If the people wanted them, they could vote on it! But please be kind enough to clean your mess up so other GCs dont have issues because of it. Thanks clel.
No one point in the chain can be taken by itself unless it's the first cause because they are all intertwined; which in this case was you leaving them in the level!
Just doing your part, I see.
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Post by laura on Dec 10, 2008 13:08:01 GMT -5
More people than thor complained about it. Proof? The majority of people on both sides voted Yes to remove them. The people wanted them deleted, and so I removed them. Got it yet? Why blame glad when glad simply did what the majority of people voted to do? You can claim clel won "before it started" if you want. But lets look at the facts: Since when is: also LOL @ my weapons cancelling a CTF... my bad The same as: We stopped to play because you turned clel npcs OFF If you want to keep saying clel won despite the fact that these two are different, then so be it. And i'll keep repeating myself since all I do is use the facts. these are not differents , if its wasnt about clel's npc me and shimmy would have been trying and that game would not have been Canceled . if u wanna still say its clel fault then why did u not remove them in the start?because most of the people were playing with it until thor said its was laggin the server
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Post by gladius on Dec 10, 2008 13:14:07 GMT -5
As I said before (shocking) ctf future is played with items, so when the game started I pondered why I had these new npcs, as did everyone else. It wasn't long until I saw clel's npcs in the corner that enabled them in the level. Since they were items and no one had really said anything negative early on, I let them be used with the other items.
After a while people started to dislike them, and eventually this led to the vote, which came up yes. Had it occured to you laura, why it took me so long to remove the npcs? It took so long because I couldn't delete them. Luckily thor was there and was able to do it after a few minutes.
And yes, they are different.
Event canceled because of clel's npcs != event being canceled because clel's npcs were removed
The former claims the npcs are to blame. The latter claims the removal of the npcs is to blame. Remind me, how are they the same again? Oh wait they aren't.
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Post by cetellic on Dec 10, 2008 13:20:50 GMT -5
You covered point A and Point F clel, but you forgot all the stops in between! The giants didn't win the superbowl in 2 stops. It took many many stops and many events that propelled them to their final destination! So I basically say the Giants win and you get pissed cause I didn't mention the many events which propelled them to to their final destination right? Gladius I know losing gracefully is hard but you gotta become a man someday... But had they not been in the level, they would have never caused this problem and you would never be to blame! Dont you think Clel put the blame on his self from the get go... I mean wasn't there a "my bad" involved with the post I made? As well as a "my weapons cancelling" yep yep yep... If the people wanted them, they could vote on it! But please be kind enough to clean your mess up so other GCs dont have issues because of it. Thanks clel. Don't you think the point of making it was so other GCs can have issues? I mean they seemed scripted for the part to me ROFL!! No one point in the chain can be taken by itself unless it's the first cause because they are all intertwined; which in this case was you leaving them in the level! No way, cause it chains back farther then that. So even in your own little game which you completely made up just so you can somehow win this debate, YOU STILL FAIL!!!
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Post by cetellic on Dec 10, 2008 13:24:58 GMT -5
Event canceled because of clel's npcs != event being canceled because clel's npcs were removed also LOL @ my weapons cancelling a CTF... my bad I never specifically said jack about how they cancelled it, I just said they did. Don't worry guys Gladius never mans up, this debate will be over in about....... 50,000,000,000 POSTS ;D with tons of Gladius Stupidity around every corner THIS IS RICH!!!
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Post by laura on Dec 10, 2008 13:27:31 GMT -5
lol
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Post by laura on Dec 10, 2008 13:28:08 GMT -5
Event canceled because of clel's npcs != event being canceled because clel's npcs were removed also LOL @ my weapons cancelling a CTF... my bad my bad that was "different"
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Post by gladius on Dec 10, 2008 13:55:26 GMT -5
Been there, done that clel. You're missing the point. You don't skip from Point A to point F since point A surely did not cause point F. Point E caused point F, which was caused by Point D, which was etc. etc.
If you had really put do blame yourself for this, this debate could end right now, now couldn't it? Well clel man up and do the responsible thing? Or will he try to defend his "oh i think im winning" position?
The point of making it should be so players have another element they can turn to when playing in items-allowed ctfs (usually only future), not to screw everyone else up noob!
The chain can't go further than that I'm afraid. The blame can be put on you since taking you out of the equation would delete the entire chain! In order for the cause/event chain to continue, there'd have to be a good cause that made you leave the npcs in the level, but there isn't! Rofl and you think I failed.
Oh but I'm afraid your npcs didn't cancel the event. I did. Can you be any more wrong? I guess we'll find out in the upcoming posts.
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