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Post by Gotenks on Nov 3, 2008 23:45:06 GMT -5
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Post by Gotenks on Nov 3, 2008 23:45:35 GMT -5
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Post by MysticX2X on Nov 4, 2008 13:02:39 GMT -5
Please. Are you going to trust Time Magazine or the dinosaur from the Land before Time? Time is a pretty good source for these type of things though That and the fact he was a motivational figure that many people respect to this day. How many people have not heard about Gandhi and what he did? Not very many. Who the hell is going to know about some czars or semi war heros unless reading about history? Not very many. Ok, thats why our country isn't in the top 10-15 economically stable nations? [/u] want to get technical, gandhi really wasn't fighting at all now was he LOL owned.[/quote] Gandhi had an effect of 1+ billion people. And this is considering other people who sought inspiration from his beliefs. Stalin was a communist, which doesn't even make him good game for being one of the greatest/influential people of all time. How stupid do you feel now? Everyone has limited influence on something. Your war heros, bill gate, MLK, Gandhi, etc. They all had limited influence because they didn't do something outright global that affected all the world. I think Gandhi and MLK did, as well as Gates, to affect the whole world. It doesn't have to be a successful plan, or an invention, motivational people are just as important or we wouldn't have MLK day. Why doesn't the US have Stalin day, or Bill gates day? The people of India love and respect Gandhi because he was the independence leader that set 1 billion people free of British rule on them. [qupte]Please. The only reason he'll be remembered is because he was the first to ever win independence without a fight. Grats to him, but he's not one of the greatest people ever. If he truly was, he'd still be affecting the world. However, most of us seem to ignore his lessons and his methods. I wouldn't call that influential.[/quote] How about you stop assuming? it's getting worse and worse for you. Many people admire and respect what Gandhi did. We cannot be like everybody that is said to be great. And Gandhi is still affecting the world whether you know it or not. Seriously Gladius, you are getting all too extreme. Maybe it's racism, or maybe you're just stupid. Anybody you told this too would smack you in the face with a book.
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Post by clayman on Nov 6, 2008 4:23:51 GMT -5
You people get the **** out of MY topic.
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Post by laura on Nov 6, 2008 7:57:26 GMT -5
hey mystic why do you pause so much in ctf , are you seeking gotenks attention AGAIN
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Post by gladius on Nov 6, 2008 8:12:38 GMT -5
Sports Illustrated > Time magazine
Please. Any educated person knows who stalin is.
Dude a large part of india is starving and lives in shacks.
What, does being a communist automatically take him out of consideration? Common dude. It's a style of government. It's not like he sold his soul to the devil and now worships him. If you want to play the numeric battle, let's do a quick run down. Stalin influenced, in one way or another, effected all these countries: Russia, China, all of Europe, several countries in the middle east, both koreas, several other asian nations like Vietnam, many nations in africa, several countries in south/central america like Cuba, and of course the US. I think that trumps your 1 bil.
Gates invented the personal computer, which is someone we are using right now to communicate. Millions of people around the world use these devices every day. They have become a corner stone of every day life in many places. That is much more influential than anything gandhi ever did. We don't have Stalin day b/c he wasn't from our country noob.
Dude gandhi ain't effecting the world for poo. Very few people still practice "non violent protest" and the other beliefs he preached. For someone to be one of the "greatest people of all time", their effect has to go on throughout history. I don't believe gandhi has accomplished this. He accomplished many great things obviously. But he is not one of the great people ever.
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Post by kill on Nov 7, 2008 4:57:54 GMT -5
Great post above, I recommend reading it.
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Post by MysticX2X on Nov 7, 2008 17:53:02 GMT -5
Lemme tell you something Gladius. Seeing as you only believe in any American view, it's time to rub off some diversity upon yourself. Sports Illustrated > Time magazine Irrelevant Natural Selection. The population consists of 1 billion + and the size of the country isn't too big either. What can you expect? Everyone to be rich? It just isn't possible in the world of logistics. He was not respected as his people. He killed his own people. He controlled his country. Spreading Communism is nothing commendable. Remember Animal Farm? He was a major figure in the creation of the Microsoft operating system. Did 1 billion people look up to him as a sense of hope during their time of need? Albert Einstein influenced the way we think about the physics of our world. Does everyone believe in what he said? No, but a majority do. Gandhi showed the world what you could do without fighting. Does everyone believe in this? Of course not. Did Gandhi achieve his goals? Of course. If you're calling Gandhi nothing, you might as well Call MLK nothing since they both believed in similar ideas, but i guess that isn't why there was a day named after MLK to commemorate what he done. And yes, the same things are celebrated in India. You're already foolish enough that i don't want to waste so much explanation to you. Read up if you will. He didn't propose war. He was against fighting. He helped achieve something that a country didn't imagine happening. He was looked upon as a sense of hope to a country who was run over by rule. He inspired people such as MLK, and many people who believe in conversation and not confrontation. Maybe you don't believe this but there is a wide array of people who outweigh a pure American nimrod. Believe what you want, but he is widely considered a figure of hope and one of the greatest people to walk the earth. People don't have to follow his ideals but he influenced 1 billion and continues to influence people today. Maybe you don't know what 6 billion+ people are doing/thinking so why are you speaking for them?
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Post by aerox on Nov 7, 2008 18:00:25 GMT -5
I think a good ending of these debates between GC's could be to suck eachothers dick, i think gladius loves to have hindi cock and mystic would like a american porn dick.
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Post by tatsi on Nov 7, 2008 21:18:33 GMT -5
why are you not funny? cant even get a laugh out of your posts ...fag.
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Post by gladius on Nov 7, 2008 23:31:28 GMT -5
Natural selection doesn't mean less than 1 % of the population has 99% of the power and money while 70% of the population has 0.5 % of the power and money. India's government sucks and they ignore the needs of their people. Guess they really learned something from Gandhi didn't they? Communism was/is a great theory that has a lot of strong points. Granted it is tough to actually achieve and more or less impossible to succeed in the long term. But again you fail to see the point. It isn't about spreading communism itself. It was about Stalin effecting hundreds of millions of people, or more, to this day. Yet again you fail to see this. Again, it's not about people looking up to bill gates for a "sense of hope". It's about him effecting people through the years to this day. The only way we're having this debate is because of bill. And tbh, if you want to compare gandhi and MLK head to head, MLK was more successful because his lessons are still felt today. America is becoming more accepting of all races, letting all people vote. India, for as great as you believe Gandhi to be, still develops nuclear arms to try and use against pakistan. Clearly his "non-violent" lessons didn't hang around. I'm not saying that everyone has listened to MLK, but his lessons were far more effective and continue to effect us today. How come you claim that I'm the one trying to speak for 6 billion people when in fact it is you that just said: Believe what you want, but he is widely considered a figure of hope and one of the greatest people to walk the earth. Looks like you fail again mystic. The thing is, if people actually listened to his "non-violent" lessons, he would be one of the greatest ever. Last time I checked, wars and attacks still go on to this day. So before you call me an american nimrod again, look at yourself in the mirror mystic. Are you just defending gandhi because he's indian? Sure, you can admire him for what he did. But would a fan/admirer be getting in a long worthless debate over it? I don't have anything against gandhi (granted I'm not a huge fan of pacifism) so don't even try to play that card. I just don't feel like he was "one of the greatest people ever" like you claimed. He just doesn't have the continuing effect like the 'great ones' should.
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Post by clayman on Nov 8, 2008 3:12:15 GMT -5
GEEEEEEEEEEEEET OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUT OOOOOOOOOF MYYYYYYYYY TOOOOOOOOOOOOPIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIC
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Post by gladius on Nov 8, 2008 8:54:02 GMT -5
My bad shimms.
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Post by MysticX2X on Nov 10, 2008 17:25:37 GMT -5
Natural selection doesn't mean less than 1 % of the population has 99% of the power and money while 70% of the population has 0.5 % of the power and money. India's government sucks and they ignore the needs of their people. Guess they really learned something from Gandhi didn't they? Lmao, what? You need to look up your statistics as Indians do make a living and pretty sure the majority isn't suffering either. In fact, there are countries way worse than India. You're just making that stereotype after seeing the catastrophe of the Tsunami. I can safely tell you it's a lot better than you think. Go research some accurate information, Noob. Affecting people in a negative way? Look at North Korea, Vietnam, etc. Those aren't great examples. Communism isn't great at all and shouldn't be remembered as 'great'. Lucky you to be a wide supporter of Communism because you can't get a dime for your buck. And No, affecting hundreds of millions of people in a negative way doesn't constitute you as anything of one of the greatest people to walk our earth. And Gandhi effected 1 billion+ people. Here's a little job for you: Go up to anyone and ask who Gandhi was and who Stalin was. Ask them who had a better influence, and who they actually support. That is your job and i pretty much know the answer through reading and hearing commetns. Consider yourself in check. I never doubted Bill Gates. Surely he is one of the greater people we have seen evolve the world of technology. But don't doubt that out of political leaders. The fact is you don't have to be continually effecting people today to be great. Though he is, you just don't know it. Are you ****ing kidding me? Martin Luther King advocated Gandhi's Ideals. If it wasn't for Gandhi's teachings, you wouldn't see much hope of the Civil Rights movement in America. And the way you think MLK is more important is because You live in America. MLK affected America more than Gandhi did. Gandhi affected his own Country and many civil rights leaders have advocated his ideals. MLK, Steven Bico, Nelson Mandela. Want to keep being proved stupid? Half the civil revolutions we have learned in our history classes wouldn't have been as effective as they were if it wasn't for one individuals teachings. Again, why don't you research before you open your big mouth? Hah, i feel like making you feel more stupid. Here's a quote: "Inspired by Gandhi's success with non-violent activism, King visited the Gandhi family in India in 1959, with assistance from the Quaker group the American Friends Service Committee.[18] The trip to India affected King in a profound way, deepening his understanding of non-violent resistance and his commitment to America’s struggle for civil rights. In a radio address made during his final evening in India, King reflected, “Since being in India, I am more convinced than ever before that the method of nonviolent resistance is the most potent weapon available to oppressed people in their struggle for justice and human dignity." Gandhi affected civil revolutions, not wars. You can't prevent everything from happening in the world though there are strong protesters of the war and violence. And do not tell me there aren't, lulz. I'd defend Gandhi's influence/greatness to the world as i would defend MLK's since they are vastly similar. MLK was in fact a disciple of Gandhi (wow i said this). The fact he is Indian just tells you that i know more about what he did. Where as you know nothing. Why don't you keep your big yap shut, eh Gladius? You seem to be doing a lot of talking with no knowledge. Keep to World War 2 Please. You're embarrassing yourself.
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Post by gladius on Nov 10, 2008 18:17:36 GMT -5
Fool I never saw the news after the tsunami hit. Stop assuming. I saw a video in economics last year that showed an American reported constantly being asked for money by the same family each time they saw him. More over, the video showed the poo condition India was in and how the government takes forever to act on anything in the business area. Plus I've seen the history channel + history international and how bad india sucks.
The discussion was never about negative or positive. It was simply about effecting more people. Besides, Vietnam and Cuba are horrible examples. How about you take a look at china? Not doing so bad, are they? Look dude. Over 40 years of government policy was dictated solely by what the russians were doing. That alone would have effected several billion people. Not to mention the numerous countries around the world that the two super powers played tug-of-war with for control. Besides mystic, India's population back in Gandhi's day wasn't 1 billion.
America effects the world much more than india does. Therefor MLK's efforts > Gandhi's efforts.
If the indian people love gandhi so much, why don't they follow his pacifist motives more? Fail.
Please mystic. I'm owning you about a guy from your own country. Gandhi was a savior to a worthless country halfway across the world. Were his ideas infuential on other civil revoluntionaries? Sure. But its not like they copied him point blank. Last time I checked, Gandhi never had a dream. Nor did he stop riding buses. Point is, Gandhi's sphere of influence is limited. Other people who qualify for the 'greatest people of all time' continue to effect us to this day, good or bad, such as Stalin (to continue with the example).
Plus, to seal the arguement, I'm pretty sure Stalin could whip Gandhi's ass in a fight.
Swish.
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