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Post by cetellic on Nov 4, 2008 9:32:08 GMT -5
1) That is just another statement which holds no merit. You say it doesnt make sense, you understand one side, debate over. You lack true understanding. If we feel good about how far we got along then it's not a waste of time, if I feel great and like I learned something new, it doesn't matter if my teammates feel crappy - if they want to be dumb about it I can't really help them there. Hey just like this debate...
2) It doesnt matter how many people are playing, if once I get through they're all behind me, they're fuxed. The fact of favor is not "4D is easier for laggers to get through then 2D" that is false, if you got the idea that I was trying to say that my bad. It's actually a comparison.
Alright lemme see all the junk I gotta disclaim before Gladius hops on it and calls it a refute... hmm these are just raw numbers I'm using the show the difference in offensive capabilities between a normal offender and a laggy one, the defenders aren't GODS AT FULL HP DOING FULL FORCE WALL ACTION, it's just typical CTF affairs... and ya that's about it.
Conditions are 4v4, 2D:
Lagger - 100% offensive power Normal - 80% offensive power
At this rate it is common for the normal player and the lagger (who's on the other team) to snatch the flag. This will result in a stalemate till one or both dies.
Here's 8v8 4D: Lagger - 60% offensive power Normal - 20% offensive power
At this rate it is way more common for the lagger to snatch the flag and score. In a CTF Large 8v8 (4D btw) I was in (where I started the quote Deo for God!) Laura was the main scorer for their team, Gotenks was the main scorer for ours, they weren't the only ones to score, but they were the main fire power for their team. (We were losing until Gotenks got off Def and brought us some scores, he was defending cause he suspected Mystic would kick him otherwise).
Again these numbers are not exact and just symbolize how 8v8 effects normal players more drastically. Causing 8v8s to favor laggers.
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Post by gladius on Nov 4, 2008 9:56:42 GMT -5
1) Here we go again clel. You use the word "we" when it is you who made the decision to pick a bad team. Then you say that as long as "I" (as in you, Clel) feel good, it doesn't matter what 'everyone else' feels like. That sounds pretty selfish clel.
2) Yeah...making up numbers to try and show your point is not very professional. Unless you have scientific proof behind these numbers, your claim is about as shallow as a *insert name*'s character.
Like I said earlier, when it's a higher number of players, each defender has more help around them. With 4on4, more or less each defender is going 1 on 1 with each attacker since there are less people to get his back.
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Post by cetellic on Nov 4, 2008 10:02:27 GMT -5
1) That's not even a rebuttal. If we feel good what does it matter who made the decision? Who cares if it sounds selfish? 2) At this rate it is way more common for the lagger to snatch the flag and score. In a CTF Large 8v8 (4D btw) I was in (where I started the quote Deo for God!) Laura was the main scorer for their team, Gotenks was the main scorer for ours, they weren't the only ones to score, but they were the main fire power for their team. (We were losing until Gotenks got off Def and brought us some scores, he was defending cause he suspected Mystic would kick him otherwise). Like I said earlier, when it's a higher number of players, each defender has more help around them. With 4on4, more or less each defender is going 1 on 1 with each attacker since there are less people to get his back. Sorry Gladius, I need scientific proof to believe that
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Post by cetellic on Nov 4, 2008 10:10:57 GMT -5
*Looks at Watch*
Anytime now Mystic will jump in to supply the diversion... so where we going Mystic? Las Vegas? New York? Hit up some babes in Miami?
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Post by cetellic on Nov 4, 2008 10:20:15 GMT -5
Like I said earlier, when it's a higher number of players, each defender has more help around them. With 4on4, more or less each defender is going 1 on 1 with each attacker since there are less people to get his back. You must be talking about sumo right? I'm not, but then again that was your Jinzo, where he at he's supposed to negate my clog upper trap card! More people in sumo = higher chance of clogging, clogging helps laggers, therefore more people generally helps laggers. What you're saying up there applies to both laggers and normal players. Where's the CLOGGING DOESN'T HELP LAGGERS junk? Oh wait Jinzo got pwned by Offerings to the Doomed, now I can't draw next turn - good thing I got a full hand ;D
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Post by gladius on Nov 4, 2008 11:51:33 GMT -5
1) It didn't have to be. It doesn't sound selfish; it is selfish. That isn't cool.
2) Here's your scientific proof: 8 > 4
Yes, I was talking about sumo since that was the subject for the last few posts. The more people there are, the less gaps there are. Two or three people can block the choke, which is much easier to accomplish with 8 people on your team than 4. There's no proof that "clogging helps laggers" foo. I'd play card destruction to clear both our hands, but I like my cards so there's no need.
BTW I do believe it's Offering to the Damned.
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Post by MysticX2X on Nov 4, 2008 12:01:43 GMT -5
you say "IT HAS TO COME OUT", now you're trying to run to "well some games", and no of course you're gunna point to the worse of the worse and go "Clel's theory must've been involved O.O" when WTF GCs have little to do with how if their CTFs go great or not. Here, since your CTF Sumo yesterday was purely CRAP your lose the debate there, I win. YAY!!! See it's stupid. Mmmm, i have always mentioned your games. Most of your CTF games do end up like crap. Your games are the games laggers find the need to lag more in since you are less preventive of it. You make worse conditions for the CTF. As for playing, you really talk too much, and have no faith in winning. You want to pick jade and gotenks over 6-7 better other people to prove a point, and not because you feel they were the best picks you could make. As for the CTF Sumo Game, i did everything i could. I took preventive measures. Sure there was lag, but it was a test of the clientside HD, which doesn't create the same outcome players would want to expect. Yes i know shimmy did lag a couple goals but i wasn't at the base the couple of times he did it. And shimmy being a GP who's supposed to be against any unfair matters caused, he should of just given up the flag for lag such as in Lyzix's video. It didn't go bad but people were complaining about the lag and so on. Nothing i could do unless i saw it. I took all the preventive measures i could so i don't see your point again, Clel. They won't get better playing on a poo team with a poo captain. How can the Detroit Lions get better if their whole team is playing like ass? It makes logical sense that you need some good players working together instead of 5 crap players who don't know the definition of working together. I tend to comment on such ignoramus comments (So ownage). And I'm not even backing up Gladius here. In fact, i haven't read any of Gladius' 1000 responses in this thread, so fail more with that point. Our debate went on for a few pages until Gladius stepped in. You just don't et it. Please man. You can't refute crap. All you can give is your own opinionated comments. The only thing you could of been "technically" right about was letting the players pick whomever they want to pick. But if i did let you pick the crap players, matters would get worse for the game outcome though Night doesn't approve of that. We can reference this to real life as well: Let's say you knew there was a terrorist living next door to you, and you knew about this. You could of either killed this terrorist before he carried out his plot or you could of told the cops just a bit late of this plot. Killing him wouldn't of been encouraged by the government, but is it good patriotism? Damn right it is. Same thing applies to our GC decision making. Should we let Clel choose a crap player and overall ruin the game? It is encouraged by Night to let him choose who he wants, but damn will he screw over the game.
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Post by cetellic on Nov 4, 2008 12:22:16 GMT -5
Thanks the new hand is jazzy ; ) 1) And judge YOU CANNOT BE SELFISH DURING EVENTS, EVER!!! BRAND NEW RULE!!! I'm totally kicking anyone from events who's being selfish, fun time! 2) OUCH This aint gunna go too well for ya... In sumo you want to knock your opponent into the water. With tons of people around should the lagger make it into base and everyone clogs... he's gunna hit up the tunes, get inside someone special, and get knocked through em for the score. BTW I just happened to draw another
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Post by gladius on Nov 4, 2008 12:53:18 GMT -5
1) When your selfish motives screw up the game for everyone involved, then ya, maybe you should get the boot.
2) *sigh* More people to fight the lagger, more people to close the gaps, more people for them to get through going in and out again. What more do I have to say?
Ah, I was thinking of another card, Tribute to the damned, where you sacrafice one of your creatures to kill an opponent's creature. Still kind of fitting considering your "i don't care if i sacrifice susie" statement earlier.
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Post by cetellic on Nov 4, 2008 13:01:46 GMT -5
Mmmm, i have always mentioned your games. Most of your CTF games do end up like crap. You mean 6-0 or 6-1 for example? Hey I've seen plenty of those from you and Gladius too, infact everyone who hosts CTF gets those usually. You guys must work my theory in pretty good =) Your games are the games laggers find the need to lag more in since you are less preventive of it. You make worse conditions for the CTF. As for playing, you really talk too much, and have no faith in winning. Lagger get spanked all the time, I dont gotta prevent em. NO FAITH IN WINNING? Lol I'm the guy who usually goes for comebacks when we're losing while everyone else is like "WTF RECONNECT ME!". I don't really care to lose though. You want to pick jade and gotenks over 6-7 better other people to prove a point, and not because you feel they were the best picks you could make. What am I trying to prove? You can't prove the point I'm making in one game. If I wanted to prove my point I wouldn't do it by picking Jade-Gotenks first As for the CTF Sumo Game, i did everything i could. I took preventive measures. Sure there was lag, but it was a test of the clientside HD, which doesn't create the same outcome players would want to expect. Yes i know shimmy did lag a couple goals but i wasn't at the base the couple of times he did it. And shimmy being a GP who's supposed to be against any unfair matters caused, he should of just given up the flag for lag such as in Lyzix's video. It didn't go bad but people were complaining about the lag and so on. Nothing i could do unless i saw it. I took all the preventive measures i could so i don't see your point again, Clel. SO YOU CAN DO NOTHING UNLESS YOU SEE IT RIGHT?! Well where's that for me? Most of the time I don't act unless I see it and WHAM CLEL YOU SUCK ASS!!! YOU NEVER KICK LAGGERS EVER NOT IN A MILLION YEARS!!! You wanna be all up on me when I don't kick em cause I dont see em WTF. They won't get better playing on a poo team with a poo captain. How can the Detroit Lions get better if their whole team is playing like ass? It makes logical sense that you need some good players working together instead of 5 crap players who don't know the definition of working together. LOLOLOLOL you totally don't get... I tend to comment on such ignoramus comments (So ownage). And I'm not even backing up Gladius here. In fact, i haven't read any of Gladius' 1000 responses in this thread, so fail more with that point. Apparently you dont have to read his posts to save his tail. You just dont get it... Our debate went on for a few pages until Gladius stepped in. You just don't et it. The debate wasnt all that serious. So no you didnt start em, you were easy. Kill's a better pick then ya nuff said. Please man. You can't refute crap. All you can give is your own opinionated comments. Call em! Go ahead. We can reference this to real life as well: This is likely to be interesting... Let's say you knew there was a terrorist living next door to you, and you knew about this. You could of either killed this terrorist before he carried out his plot or you could of told the cops just a bit late of this plot. Killing him wouldn't of been encouraged by the government, but is it good patriotism? Damn right it is. Same thing applies to our GC decision making. Should we let Clel choose a crap player and overall ruin the game? It is encouraged by Night to let him choose who he wants, but damn will he screw over the game. I sorta understand what you're getting at. I'd say kill the terrorist myself, but if you're going to jail for killing the terrorist don't, if you think your family's lives will be at risk and you killin em and going to jail is the only way to save their tails, I'd kill the terrorist I don't know about you guys. Let Clel choose a crap player? What does it matter, no one is at risk of death. After the event everyone will move on and forget after awhile I hope like all reasonable people. Some people are fags about it and only want to play if teams are even, some poeple aren't. I say screw you faggots, it's a possible game mechanic, it's in! It wont be in every game but if it aint your lucky day it's IN!!!!
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Post by gladius on Nov 4, 2008 13:08:02 GMT -5
I'd love to stay and chat but I do have class.
So I'll just respond to your 1st comment on the 6-0 and 6-1 games that 'glad' has hosted.
Could it have been that clel was captaining those games and picked a sub par team?
Tis possible.
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Post by cetellic on Nov 4, 2008 13:10:45 GMT -5
1) When your selfish motives screw up the game for everyone involved, then ya, maybe you should get the boot. But it's not! Screwing up the game is sabbing, I play with all my 500ms might out there =( 2) *sigh* More people to fight the lagger, more people to close the gaps, more people for them to get through going in and out again. What more do I have to say? If you set all that up what kind of offender will it effect worse? Lagger or normal player? It favors laggers more... what more do I have to say... Ah, I was thinking of another card, Tribute to the damned, where you sacrafice one of your creatures to kill an opponent's creature. Still kind of fitting considering your "i don't care if i sacrifice susie" statement earlier. Hey I know that card! I happen to have one of those in my hand. This side argument is rape ;D
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Post by cetellic on Nov 4, 2008 13:12:00 GMT -5
I'd love to stay and chat but I do have class. So I'll just respond to your 1st comment on the 6-0 and 6-1 games that 'glad' has hosted. Could it have been that clel was captaining those games and picked a sub par team? Tis possible. But you don't allow that remember. I don't even play most of em, I just be online and read the mass and it's all like 6-1 and junk, and I'm thinkin "if only I was there for the blue team... wait 500ms nm". See there you go trying to get into one of those escape routes again
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Post by gladius on Nov 4, 2008 16:31:55 GMT -5
I'll start with the bottom post.
Nah I allowed it once or twice b/c I stopped caring about graal a while back.
So you don't feel that picking a sub-par team is screwing up a game?
It should effect everyone the same, but laggers have their forward recoil attack no matter how many ppl are defending.
Here's a card quiz for you then.
Find the card of a pink dragon where it's txt is something to the effect of "it's mythical flames burn away the unworthy".
I'd give you hints on the attack/def but it'd be too easy.
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Post by cetellic on Nov 4, 2008 17:39:11 GMT -5
1) Once or twice? I've seen more then one or two 6-0s from ya O.o
2)No it's not screwing up the game. IT'S NOT A SAB SAB!!!
3)Correct, they'll still get through with their forward recoil and I can jam through cause there's less people to worry about. Up the number of people and I'm screwed but they can still forward recoil through. =D
no card quiz for me... all it takes is "pink dragon" and I'm stumped, hold up Green Eyes Pink Dragon!! I GOT IT!!!
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