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Post by gladius on Nov 2, 2008 21:42:18 GMT -5
*jams finger on ball* Allah damnit...
Anyways.
Thor and mighty seem to have reach. But the other euro's dont.
Gotenks and death seem to have lag. But most other american's don't.
You seem to state that one side (of the atlantic) has an advantage, but really it's more on a case by case basis. Not everyone is the same, so not everyone has the same advantage/disadvantage.
*passes to clel*
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Post by cetellic on Nov 3, 2008 4:28:39 GMT -5
Well knowing the effects of a server swap, not everyone in the area the server favors will be godly, not everyone where the server doesn't favor will be jack crap.
Generally as of right now Americans won't be sporting 50ms, before the swap you wouldn't see Europeans sporting it. Since one side can get 50ms easier then the other, some players will be at an advantage depending on where the server is.
*passes to Gladius*
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Post by MysticX2X on Nov 3, 2008 6:44:51 GMT -5
*intercepts ball*
Clel is not accepting all facts. For one Clel, all your debates about CTF have to take place in a game you play in/host. Look, whenever you host CTF, Gotenks and Laura find the need to lag themselves even more. Why do they do this? Because you always think Lag is unintentional. Gotenks lag is probably the worst on Classic which is probably why I'm never hosting CTF Sumo because he cries a river if i remove a lag goal.
As for the player picking debate: you did fail. You tried picking a bunch of well known crap players and you still lost. Superstition or not, i was correct.
*pops ball*
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Post by cetellic on Nov 3, 2008 7:33:45 GMT -5
*intercepts ball* Clel is not accepting all facts. Okay, lets see how. For one Clel, all your debates about CTF have to take place in a game you play in/host. This is incorrect I've hosted against what I've displayed here tons of times. I've played against what I've displayed here tons of times. Look, whenever you host CTF, Gotenks and Laura find the need to lag themselves even more. Why do they do this? Because you always think Lag is unintentional. Gotenks lag is probably the worst on Classic which is probably why I'm never hosting CTF Sumo because he cries a river if i remove a lag goal. Intentional or not is not the point. It's the degree. If they push it out of hand, intentional or not, they're kicked. As for the player picking debate: you did fail. You tried picking a bunch of well known crap players and you still lost. Superstition or not, i was correct. So I pick Jade a bit and what did I get out of it? While you were over trying to get cheap snipes in "SEE CLEL YOU STILL LOSE, YOUR THEORY SUCKS" , I was understanding why I was losing, seeing what I could do to cover my team, and improving myself based on that. Sure we lost 6-0, 10-0, 99-0. But I still evolved, and could not have without the crap team being my ankle weights. Not only that but I get the chance to tell the crap team what they're doing wrong, by making them better there'll be less crap players, so competitive games will be more likely without ever having to be bias  Now all I gotta do is wait for you guys to go back to the normal standards and get some 4v4s or 5v5s rollin, then my individual skills can actually hold merit. 8v8s make good practice, and demonstration of how much laggers rape since more players help out laggers more then the average player. |
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Post by gladius on Nov 3, 2008 8:05:06 GMT -5
*buys new ball*
Clel do you admit that your definition of the 'degree of lag' is more lenient than other gcs?
Clel, it's nice that you try and make the games more competitive. But jade hasn't really gotten better despite your efforts. IDK if you've gotten better, but really...was it worth burning ctf games for everyone else?
TBH my theory was that the less people there are involved, the more impact laggers can have, since there are less people to stop them. This especially makes sense in sumo, where people can have many defenders in a small area and force the laggers to use their swords rather than just hold their arrow keys and hope they recoil weird to get past the defense. But who knows.
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Post by cetellic on Nov 3, 2008 9:33:03 GMT -5
Thanks Mystic, now Gladius has a escape route. Twin dragons... trap one and the other saves their tail... oh well the new topic is much stronger in my favor anyway... *buys new ball* Clel do you admit that your definition of the 'degree of lag' is more lenient than other gcs? Well in Oni's "Horrible GC" video I would not have kicked him... spike lag is okay. Clel, it's nice that you try and make the games more competitive. But jade hasn't really gotten better despite your efforts. IDK if you've gotten better, but really...was it worth burning ctf games for everyone else? Yes it was, I want to be the best, I don't really care if Susy gets pissed or if I have to sacrifice Jackie. People getting upset is going to happen no matter what I do. Jade getting better wasn't the point, it was an extra, if the extra doesn't happen oh well, less competition. TBH my theory was that the less people there are involved, the more impact laggers can have, since there are less people to stop them. Say there's a two man D, if I'm on offense I can get through them pretty easy, the lagger can get through them pretty easy. If there's a four man d there's no way I'ma get through, but the lagger can still have a chance, advantage is theirs. This especially makes sense in sumo, where people can have many defenders in a small area and force the laggers to use their swords rather than just hold their arrow keys and hope they recoil weird to get past the defense. But who knows. In sumo it'd be better to have 4v4 against laggers. 7v7 would suck cuz base clogging helps them big since they go through gaps easy so having that much defensive power doesn't make sense. More people also means more possible assistance for the lagger... it's just not good news. |
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Post by Kevin on Nov 3, 2008 11:34:30 GMT -5
Sure let's all adjust out strategy based on the people who want to try and cheat. /end sarcasm Yeah I would like to see evidence of this in action. no, let's adjust the hit detection that clearly doesn't work |
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Post by tatsi on Nov 3, 2008 12:34:48 GMT -5
losers.
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Post by cetellic on Nov 3, 2008 12:51:48 GMT -5
Leave us alone tats! Can't you see lives are on the line here!!!
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Post by Gemini on Nov 3, 2008 13:17:32 GMT -5
Eh how many months has ur lag debate been going on for?
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Post by cetellic on Nov 3, 2008 13:22:08 GMT -5
lol I think the debates started early september.
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Post by gladius on Nov 3, 2008 13:41:56 GMT -5
Not sure where you're getting "twin dragons" from. First off, I'm a dino and he's a bear. Second, mystic really isn't involved, he just throws out point he thinks are important. Are they? Meh, that's for the you to decide.
Anyways.
It's been a while since I've seen the vid.
Clel, we all want to be the best. But you can't sacrafice others just to boost yourself. It's about the community at whole. You axe the one innocent person (lagger) to save five other innocent people. But you don't sacrafice five innocent people to save one guilty person (you). I'm not saying you're guilty of anything, I'm just trying to make the philosophical analogy fit. The point is, you do what's best for the group, not for yourself. Michael Jordan didn't become the best by sacraficing jackie or pissing off susie. He became the best because he was damn good, and because he did his part while his teamates did theirs. Did he have a bigger part to play? Probably. But it's about what's best for the team.
You're not going to get past most 2 man def by yourself if you have no help, especially if they have high hp. Now if they're low hp, or they don't know wtf they're doing, then ya you can get by em occasionally. But 2 high hp defenders that know how to defend aren't going to be owned so ez. And please, I have yet to see a lagger get through a 4 man block def.
The thing is though, if it's 4v4, there's usually going to be 2 attackers and 2 defenders. Thus the lagger will be 1v1 against a defender. Since the lagger has his lag powers, he is going to be able to get past the defender enough times to make an impact on the game. However, when there's 7v7, it's a different story. There can be anywhere from 2 defenders to 6 defenders, depending on people getting hit out early when they're attacking. There's more possibilities for higher number of defenders.
Quick example: I think it was like 6v6 sumo a while back. I was in front on defense and Ares was in back. Occasionally we had someone to assist us but mostly it was just us 2. Our defense was rock solid throughout the game, since if I ever made a mistake, Ares (+ other) were in position to mop up my mess. If they got past ares (+other) going in, they'd still have to get past ares again (+ other) on the way out, not to mention getting past me again. The more people involved, in theory, the more people the lagger has to get through/around/by.
Obviously this example was ctf sumo where the rules of defense are completely different, but I thought it was a decent example.
*misses layup*
Gah...
*passes to clel*
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Post by cetellic on Nov 3, 2008 21:25:08 GMT -5
Sorry guys, just speaking facts got boring again... these debates last so freakin long I can use like 50 different personallities before the darn thing ends! It's like those movies where the bad guy JUST WONT DIE FOR GODS SAKE!!! I take it I'm the bad guy here since I'm gettin' double teamed =D Not sure where you're getting "twin dragons" from. First off, I'm a dino and he's a bear. Second, mystic really isn't involved, he just throws out point he thinks are important. Are they? Meh, that's for the you to decide. Did that even have to be said LOL... look clearly at your response to my response to... MYSTIC?!?! OMG!!! From now on, Mystic pops up I aint respondin LOLS. Clel, we all want to be the best. But you can't sacrafice others just to boost yourself. It's about the community at whole. You axe the one innocent person (lagger) to save five other innocent people. But you don't sacrafice five innocent people to save one guilty person (you). Not the moral book, this is such a waste. Look dude when you play a game it doesn't matter if you saved lives, if you suck at the game you suck, ain't no "well I didnt sacrifice five teams to get here" will do anything. I was uber good before and no one was like WTF CLEL BUT YOU SACRICED TEH TEAMS MAN!!! Moral books lawls, Gladius just wont understand, it's all good though =). You're not going to get past most 2 man def by yourself if you have no help, especially if they have high hp. Now if they're low hp, or they don't know wtf they're doing, then ya you can get by em occasionally. But 2 high hp defenders that know how to defend aren't going to be owned so ez. And please, I have yet to see a lagger get through a 4 man block def. Here we go, I'm not talkin' "FULL HEALTH, GENIUS DEFENDERS", I'm talkin the average bunch. I'm on offense, I see 2D, I'm confident cuz I know it's likely to be cake and 90% of the time before I can blink I'm outta there with flag on like 3 HP. See it's not even a refute but a misunderstanding and assumption based on the misunderstanding. I can point out why this is a waste all I want lawlers, it aint gunna end. 4D business? All I can say is Laura for Goddess. Deo's got my sundays, Laura's got my saturdays. I was on D in large 8v8, we got 2D, she gets in our base right? Like 5 people on offense die and try to keep her in. We block her ass, some dude on one gets pwned and she squeezes through, then I start singing Eye Of The Turtle LMFAO. Clogging helps teh laggers, I see it all the time. You won't see me squeezin through, McFatty ain't skinny enough. The thing is though, if it's 4v4, there's usually going to be 2 attackers and 2 defenders. Thus the lagger will be 1v1 against a defender. Since the lagger has his lag powers, he is going to be able to get past the defender enough times to make an impact on the game. However, when there's 7v7, it's a different story. There can be anywhere from 2 defenders to 6 defenders, depending on people getting hit out early when they're attacking. There's more possibilities for higher number of defenders. CTF LEAGUE SEASON 1 SAYS HI BUDDY. Those matches were four on four, why didn't we get our tails DOMINATED by your team? We only had two D wtf! There must be some kind of gap there =( You guys did have 2O and Thor was one of them right? Long time ago can't remember =*( I feel sorry for all the lives I just let down. Quick example: I think it was like 6v6 sumo a while back. I was in front on defense and Ares was in back. Occasionally we had someone to assist us but mostly it was just us 2. Our defense was rock solid throughout the game, since if I ever made a mistake, Ares (+ other) were in position to mop up my mess. If they got past ares (+other) going in, they'd still have to get past ares again (+ other) on the way out, not to mention getting past me again. The more people involved, in theory, the more people the lagger has to get through/around/by. Stand back! As I activate my "hey no clogs wtf!" trap card. Clogging is tougher to do with less people. Besides there was only TWO d for the most part (one of the conditions needed for the trap card to work), and that extra assistance can (believe it or not) still happen 4v4. LOL acting serious for so long only makes being hilarious so much more fun =) man it's so cool how that works out. *flinches as ball comes his way* Can't you tell I'm too fat and nerdy for B-Ball? The captains used to never pick me =( now I have a drastic everlasting fear of a basketball image, oh the horror! |
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Post by Gotenks on Nov 3, 2008 21:42:37 GMT -5
lol I think the debates started early september. It was about mid september.... |
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Post by cetellic on Nov 3, 2008 21:48:36 GMT -5
Get outta here gotenks! Before I turn into debate man I CAN'T CONTROL IT AHHH IT WAS NOT MID SEPTEMBER!!!!
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fux now I'm screwed =*(
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