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Post by gladius on Apr 18, 2009 10:05:34 GMT -5
Trying to get enough people to cover for no-shows is ****ing up?
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Post by MysticX2X on Apr 18, 2009 10:11:27 GMT -5
There will always be replacements. 16 was fine enough. You messed up bud.
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Post by gladius on Apr 18, 2009 14:12:16 GMT -5
Ok mr expert. Lets bet on 16 people showing up every single time. I'd take the odds of getting 16 people out of 20 rather than 16 out of 16. How about you?
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Post by clayman on Apr 18, 2009 17:26:11 GMT -5
CTF is so cool what a great game.
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Post by MysticX2X on Apr 19, 2009 12:10:58 GMT -5
Dont you think its the responsibility of the captain to make sure their team is on?
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Post by clayman on Apr 19, 2009 15:18:48 GMT -5
Do you all feel proud of yourselves, talking so seriously about CTF on Graal?
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Post by gladius on Apr 19, 2009 16:47:11 GMT -5
How would a person who has no control and/or contact with their team force them to be online?
Sure you can be like "you need to be on sat at 8" or w/e, but nothing is forcing them to log on. Besides, what if something comes up suddenly?
There's no way a captain can guarantee all of his players will always show up. Will they sometimes? Sure. Will they all the time? I wouldn't bet on it.
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Post by MysticX2X on Apr 19, 2009 16:49:02 GMT -5
So you can't force anybody to do anything. This applies to all real world concepts. You cant force someone to do their homework, go to school, go to work. Nothing!
Meaningless point!
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Post by gladius on Apr 19, 2009 22:31:54 GMT -5
Ok so if we can't force anybody to do anything, why did you suggest making captains responsible for making sure their team is on? If they can't force em to be on, you can't hold the captains responsible!
Meaningless suggestion.
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Post by triptelvecho on Apr 22, 2009 16:32:18 GMT -5
Hate to say it but i agree with mystic (OMG4ONCE)....
A captain is a leader, a Quarterback, a Point guard...are leaders. If your going to run a team, tell your people when they need to be on and if they cant... have them tell u ahead of time so u can get a replacement. Friends, those r ppl u can count on or talk to daily. *hint hint*
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Post by gladius on Apr 22, 2009 21:07:41 GMT -5
There's a difference between leading a team and being able to guarantee that everyone will be online every single time.
Sometimes both can happen, but other times it wont. Peyton Manning can't guarantee all his teamates are going to show up for a game. Are they? Probably. But lets put this in context. We're talking about an online league with a bunch of players from different timezones and locations that have absolutely NOTHING forcing them to show up. They make the decision whether to show up or not, and sometimes stuff happens. Power outages, surprise visitors, emergencies, etc.
A leader can tell his people when to be on and all, but its still up to each individual person to show up every time. All I'm saying is that you can't punish the captains if their teamates don't show up since theres only so much they can do realistically.
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Post by MysticX2X on Apr 23, 2009 16:54:52 GMT -5
You do realize players should be aware of when each game is hosted prior to signing up, right? That's like saying we should always be weary of the monthly because we dont know if people show up.
With your theory, you're just saying no league will happen. What a dumb point.
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Post by gladius on Apr 23, 2009 17:25:54 GMT -5
But lets put this in context. We're talking about an online league with a bunch of players from different timezones and locations that have absolutely NOTHING forcing them to show up. They make the decision whether to show up or not, and sometimes stuff happens. Power outages, surprise visitors, emergencies, etc. Jebus christ dude, don't take my stuff out of context. I never said a league would never work, nor did I say people aren't aware when games are. Earlier you said captains should perhaps be held responsible for their players showing up. I disagree. Captains cannot guarantee their players will show up because each individual player has to show up, which might be complicated by irl issues, which are completely beyond the control of the captain. As for "leagues never working," the odds are that leagues won't work perfectly because we cannot guarantee that everyone will show up every time nor will they try hard if their team is doing badly. What motivated oni's team to show up each week after their record turned bad? Not much. I'm not saying they won't show up duda. I'm saying there's nothing forcing them to get online. Unless we had enough people enlisted to cover for them, the odds are that we'd be short people from time to time. Ok, so in summary: way to take my words out of context. Captains can't be held responsible and leagues aren't guaranteed to work.
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Post by triptelvecho on Apr 23, 2009 17:39:40 GMT -5
Manning wont have all of his team mates at each game, BUT he has his players replaced ahead of time. In CTFL you (being on my team) missed majority of the season, but i replaced you on the week(s) i knew you wouldnt be there. I, as captain, kept up with my members schedules (work aka YOU, timezone aka THOR, ect ect) just like a good captain should. You cant blame the failure of a Team/League for anything other then bad guidance and leadership
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Post by gladius on Apr 23, 2009 17:56:29 GMT -5
but i replaced you on the week(s) i knew you wouldnt be there. Thank you for proving my point. What if I hadn't told you? What if something happened suddenly on saturday and I couldn't make it? What if the captain didn't know ahead of time? Could he perhaps scramble to get someone? Sure. But isn't that against the point of the league? It's supposed to see who the best pre-made team is, not the best scrapped-together team; otherwise it'd basically be a normal CTF. The point is, a good captain will get a replacement when he knows ahead of time. But a good captain can't be held responsible when he doesn't know ahead of time. Night tells the GCs when the monthly is, and the GCs say if they are likely to make it or not. Does that mean they have to show up? Can something not come up suddenly that prevents them from showing up? Is that night's fault? Hell nah. Don't blame the captain for something he didn't know about kthx.
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